Wednesday, March 31, 2010

Once saved always saved?

March 31 at 9:37pm
I thought of another question after i left tonight and i wanted to know your thoughts. The general consensus is that once you are saved your always saved, but in several chapters it says that Jesus is the vine and we are the branches and that whoever remains in him will produce good fruit. Later in the passages it says that whoever does not remain in the vine (Jesus) then he will be thrown out into the fire. Does this mean that a person who once was saved but now has turned their back on Jesus will go to hell, or am I missing something. 

The chapters that talk about it :
John 15
Luke 3:7-9

Brandon Starnes March 31 at 11:40pm
5 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 Already you are clean because of the word that I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me.

- saying that you can do nothing without the Lord. 

5 I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. 

- affirming previous verses. 

6 If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned.

- this is not saying that someone once abided in Him and then did not it says "IF ANYONE DOES NOT ABIDE IN ME" HE IS THROWN INTO THE FIRE, 

ABIDE - DEFINED ( abide by) accept or act in accordance with (a rule, decision, or recommendation) : I said I would abide by their decision.
2 [ trans. ] ( can/could not abide) informal be unable to tolerate (someone or something) : if there is one thing I cannot abide it is a lack of discipline.
3 [ intrans. ] (of a feeling or a memory) continue without fading or being lost.
• archaic live; dwell.


7 If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.

-AWESOME PROMISE FOR THOSE WHO LIVE BY HIS WORD

8 By this my Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit and so prove to be my disciples.

- STATING THE RESULT OF OF ABIDING IN CHRIST AND HIS WORD

9 As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Abide in my love. 10 If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commandments and abide in his love. 11 These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in you, and that your joy may be full. 


HOPE THIS EXPLAINS IT BETTER. 


EXTRA NOTE

USUALLY WHEN WE SEE PEOPLE FALL FROM THE FAITH IT IS THAT THEY NEVER REALLY TRUSTED IN CHRIST TO BEGIN WITH. 

GREAT QUESTION

Brandon Starnes March 31 at 11:45pm
LUKE 3:7 He said therefore to the crowds that came out to be baptized by him, “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Bear fruits in keeping with repentance. And do not begin to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham. 9 Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.” 

In the rest of this section, you see the debate centering around the word father. Jesus identified Himself with the Father in heaven, but He identified them with the father from hell, Satan. Of course, the Jews claimed Abraham as their father (Luke 3:8ff), but Jesus made a careful distinction between “Abraham’s seed” (physical descendants) and “Abraham’s children” (spiritual descendants because of personal faith; Gal. 3:6–14).
These Jewish leaders, who claimed to belong to Abraham, were very unlike Abraham. For one thing, they wanted to kill Jesus; Abraham was the “friend of God” and fellowshipped with Him in love (Isa. 41:8). Abraham listened to God’s truth and obeyed it, but these religious leaders rejected the truth.
Nature is determined by birth, and birth is determined by paternity. If God is your Father, then you share God’s nature (2 Peter 1:1–4); but if Satan is your father, then you share in his evil nature. Our Lord did not say that every lost sinner is a “child of the devil,” though every lost sinner is certainly a child of wrath and disobedience (Eph. 2:1–3). Both here and in the Parable of the Tares (Matt. 13:24–32, 36–43), Jesus said that the Pharisees and other “counterfeit” believers were the children of the devil. Satan is an imitator (2 Cor. 11:13–15), and he gives his children a false righteousness that can never gain them entrance into heaven (Rom. 10:1–4).
What were the characteristics of these religious leaders who belonged to the devil? For one thing, they rejected the truth (John 8:40) and tried to kill Jesus because He spoke the truth. They did not love God (John 8:42) nor could they understand what Jesus taught (John 8:43, 47). Satan’s children may be well versed in their religious traditions, but they have no understanding of the Word of God.
Satan is a liar and a murderer. He lied to our first parents (“Yea, hath God said?”) and engineered their deaths. Cain was a child of the devil (1 John 3:12), for he was both a liar and a murderer. He killed his brother Abel and then lied about it (Gen. 4). Is it any wonder that these religious leaders lied about Jesus, hired false witnesses, and then had Him killed?
The worst bondage is the kind that the prisoner himself does not recognize. He thinks he is free, yet he is really a slave. The Pharisees and other religious leaders thought that they were free, but they were actually enslaved in terrible spiritual bondage to sin and Satan. They would not face the truth, and yet it was the truth alone that could set them free.

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Purity Code Ceremony

This was a great service. I am so proud of all our students that took part in this service. I know God was honored. 

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Purity Code Ceremony

This was a great service. I am so proud of all our students that took part in this service. I know God was honored. 

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Joint service tonight

DON'T FORGET TONIGHT IS 
JOINT SERVICE 

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Joint service tonight

DON'T FORGET TONIGHT IS 
JOINT SERVICE 

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Sunday, March 28, 2010

Welcome!


Chris is so proud to be the new student minister at Mt. Zion Baptist Church. God is going to do some amazing things this year. This page will be a way that you can keep up with what is going on at the student ministry at Mt. Zion Baptist Church.

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Welcome!


Chris is so proud to be the new student minister at Mt. Zion Baptist Church. God is going to do some amazing things this year. This page will be a way that you can keep up with what is going on at the student ministry at Mt. Zion Baptist Church.

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Friday, March 26, 2010

GPS SCRIPTURE DISTRIBUTION DAY MARCH 28

THIS IS WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT LETTING EVERY BELIEVER HEAR THE GOSPEL. YOU CAN BE A PART OF THIS HISTORICAL EVENT. JOIN WITH 1,000 OF OTHER BELIEVERS ON THIS SATURDAY TO SHARE THE GOSPEL. 

THE FIRST 10 STUDENTS THAT SHOW UP WIN A CHIC FILET GIFT CARD. 

8:30 IN UPPER ROOM FREE BREAKFAST 
9:00 HIT THE STREETS 
10:00 GO HOME. 

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GPS SCRIPTURE DISTRIBUTION DAY MARCH 28

THIS IS WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT LETTING EVERY BELIEVER HEAR THE GOSPEL. YOU CAN BE A PART OF THIS HISTORICAL EVENT. JOIN WITH 1,000 OF OTHER BELIEVERS ON THIS SATURDAY TO SHARE THE GOSPEL. 

THE FIRST 10 STUDENTS THAT SHOW UP WIN A CHIC FILET GIFT CARD. 

8:30 IN UPPER ROOM FREE BREAKFAST 
9:00 HIT THE STREETS 
10:00 GO HOME. 

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Tuesday, March 16, 2010

Episode 38 Pure WK5:The Eyes: Turning Your Eyes from Worthless Things

This is the fIfth series of the pure series using the curruculim from Jim Burns of Homeword ministries. It challenges students to live a live of purity committing a code of purity to God their family and future spouse.
This session covers the following. The Eyes: Turning Your Eyes from Worthless Things [Session 05]
Key Verses
The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are good, your whole body will be full of light. But if your eyes are bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness! Matthew 6:22-23
Biblical Basis
Matthew 6:22-23; Matthew 5:27-29; 1 Timothy 4:7b-8; Psalm 101:3; Psalm 119:37
Big Idea
We can decide to be careful in what we choose to see, and not to linger on negative sexual images when we can’t avoid them.
Goals of the Session
During this session, you will help your students:

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a night of worship MARCH 28

THERE WILL BE NO SERVICES AT THE REFUGE ON MARCH 28 WE ARE TEAMING UP WITH DECATUR BAPTIST STUDENTS FOR A NIGHT OF WORSHIP. A LOCAL BAND WILL BE LEADING US IN WORSHIP THAT NIGHT.

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a night of worship MARCH 28

THERE WILL BE NO SERVICES AT THE REFUGE ON MARCH 28 WE ARE TEAMING UP WITH DECATUR BAPTIST STUDENTS FOR A NIGHT OF WORSHIP. A LOCAL BAND WILL BE LEADING US IN WORSHIP THAT NIGHT.

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a night of worship MARCH 28

THERE WILL BE NO SERVICES AT THE REFUGE ON MARCH 28 WE ARE TEAMING UP WITH DECATUR BAPTIST STUDENTS FOR A NIGHT OF WORSHIP. A LOCAL BAND WILL BE LEADING US IN WORSHIP THAT NIGHT.

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Wednesday, March 10, 2010

A NIGHT OF WORSHIP MAR.28

THERE WILL BE NO SMALL GROUPS ON THIS NIGHT WE WILL BE JOINING IN A NIGHT OF WORSHIP AT DECATUR BAPTIST CHURCH WITH SEVERAL OTHER YOUTH GROUPS.

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GIRLS RETREAT JUNE 11-12

THIS YEAR GIRLS WE ARE GOING OUT TO SHOCCO SPRINGS FOR A INCREDIBLE WEEKEND OUT WITH THE GIRLS. THIS WEEKEND WILL BE FILLED WITH DYNAMIC WORSHIP AND LIFE CHANGING STUDIES ON WHAT GOD'S WORD SAYS ABOUT BEING A GODLY WOMAN. THE TRIP WILL INCLUDE A ADVENTURE RACE, AQUA PARK DAY, AND TONS OF FUN. FOR ONLY $75.00 YOU GET A WEEKEND GETAWAY, FOOD, LIFE CHANGING WORSHIP EXPERIENCE, AND A BLAST.

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GUYS RETREAT JUNE 11-12

GUYS ARE YOU READY FOR A BLAST. ON JUNE 11-12 WE ARE GOING TO FAYETTVILLE, TN ONE OF THE BEST PAINTBALL FIELDS IN THE AREA. WE ARE CALLING THIS WEEKEND SOLDIERS FOR CHRIST. GUEST SPEAKER CHRIS JAMES A EX SOLIDER THAT FOUGHT IN IRAQ WILL BE CHALLENGING US TO BE THE MEN GOD CALLED US TO BE. AND THE BIGGEST PAINTBALL WAR EVER ALL. SO FOR ONLY $75.00 YOU WILL GET A LIFE CHANGE, FOOD, AND THE BIGGEST PAINTBALL WAR EVER.
CHECK OUT BEAR CLAW'S WEBSITE FOR MORE PICS OF THERE AWESOME FIELDS. http://www.bearclawpaintball.com/

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GUYS RETREAT JUNE 11-12

GUYS ARE YOU READY FOR A BLAST. ON JUNE 11-12 WE ARE GOING TO FAYETTVILLE, TN ONE OF THE BEST PAINTBALL FIELDS IN THE AREA. WE ARE CALLING THIS WEEKEND SOLDIERS FOR CHRIST. GUEST SPEAKER CHRIS JAMES A EX SOLIDER THAT FOUGHT IN IRAQ WILL BE CHALLENGING US TO BE THE MEN GOD CALLED US TO BE. AND THE BIGGEST PAINTBALL WAR EVER ALL. SO FOR ONLY $75.00 YOU WILL GET A LIFE CHANGE, FOOD, AND THE BIGGEST PAINTBALL WAR EVER.
CHECK OUT BEAR CLAW'S WEBSITE FOR MORE PICS OF THERE AWESOME FIELDS. http://www.bearclawpaintball.com/

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Monday, March 8, 2010

meeting notes from Sunday

AGENDA 
50'S NIGHT MARCH 19 ALTERNATIVE PROM

Drag Race Game - Pj and aaron - drag race Chuck
food -hunter - Mrs. Robin , Charmin 
decorations- Dana and  Charmin, 
games-Tyler and Wendi
PLEASE GET ON A TEAM TO HELP IN A AREA THAT YOUR INTERESTED IN. SIMPLY EMAIL ME THE AREA YOU WANT TO HELP WITH, AND CONTACT THE TEAM MEMBERS ABOVE. 

 We asking the youth to dress in 1950's clothing. 


Hula-Hoop Hoopla:
We had teams of equal size line up along one side of the room.  The first person in line put their forehead on a bat (or dowel) and had to spin around it 10 times.  have the person in line behind them count for them! Then they had to run to the other end of the room and get a hula hoop to go around themselves 5 times.  It's hilarious to see the crazy dizzy walking! First team to get all of their members to complete the task wins.  

Bazooka Joe:
We had enough bubble gum for every youth.  We lined teams up facing each other across the room.  In relay fashion, they had to run across the room (so individuals were running towards each other) to a piece of paper taped on the wall.  There they unwrapped a piece of bubble gum and started chewing it.  They had to then blow a bubble and then stick the bubble to the paper on the wall.  We gave prizes for most pieces of gum that stayed (more gum!) and for the biggest bubble.  The kids loved this for the gross slobber factor.   We used bazooka joe gum, but it is really hard and takes A LOT of chewing to get it to be blowable.

T.V.  Dinner Roulette:
Like hot potato, but with T.V.  dinners! We gave each youth a spoon and heated up 5 of the most disgusting T.V.  dinners we could find.  The youth stood in a circle facing in and we put all 5 dinners in the circle at some point and started the music.  When the music stopped, whoever was holding the dinner was out and the person to their left had to take a bite of the dinner.  We kept this going until we ran out of food and had only a few kids left.  Either the kids flip for the dinners or think they will die from the food.  It's great!

All prizes given for games had 50's leanings - Barbie, Mr.  Potato Head, etc.  We went on some 50's retro websites and looked at what was invented in the 50's and gave those things out for the winners.


 30 foot bannana split-.To end the evening, we made a (thanks to our parents it was already assembled and ready to go at the end of the games!).  to make we need  3 pieces of plastic rain gutter with connectors.  When the evening was over, we took it outside and hosed it out.  We did this right after the musical dinners game so that everyone already had their spoon and could just dig in.Food responsibility - I will get the supplies....

IDEAS FOR GIRLS AND GUYS RETREAT 
GUYS - STAY THE NIGHT AT THE REFUGE, HAVE A ARMY TYPE OF THEME SOILDERS FOR CHRIST, GET GUEST SPEAKER CHRIS JAMES TO COME A FORMER NATIONAL GUARD WHO SERVED IN IRAQ. ON SATURDAY GO PAINT BALLING. 

GIRLS - GO TO NASHVILLE STAY AT A NICE HOTEL, HAVE A STUDY ON FRIDAY NIGHT, AND GO SHOPPING THE NEXT DAY GIRLS WEEKEND OUT. 
DATE JUNE 11 -12 

DISCUSS FORMAT OF SERVICES - 
WE DISCUSSED THE POOR ATTENDANCE ON SUNDAY NIGHTS. 
WE WERE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT IT HAS BEEN THE BEST MOVE TO SPLIT THE AGE GROUPS UP. 
WE DISCUSSED THE POSSIBILITY OF STARTING SERVICES ALL ON WED NIGHTS EX.
 5:30  DOORS OPEN 
6:00 JOINT WORSHIP
6:15 SPLIT AGE GROUPS HIGH SCHOOL GOES TO SMALL GROUP STUDY AND MIDDLE SCHOOL STAYS FOR PREACHING 
6:40 SWITCH HIGH SCHOOL SERVICE MIDDLE SCHOOL SMALL GROUPS 
7:30 DISMISS 

THE REASONS FOR SUGGESTING  THIS IS ATTENDANCE ON SUNDAY NIGHTS IS 

12 HIGH SCHOOLERS
20 MIDDLE SCHOOLERS

WEDNESDAY NIGHTS 

40 HIGH SCHOOLS 
30 TO 35 MIDDLE SCHOOLERS

SUNDAY NIGHTS 
OFFER MISSION OPPORTUNITIES, DRAMA CLASSES, BAND CLASSES ETC. 


SUMMER SCHEDULE  - 
MAY 
15 Sunday School fellowships ( last one with current class)
26 DUAL SERVICES ENDS 
30 NO PM

JUNE (SUMMIT LEADERS PREACH ON WEDNESDAYS)
6 I WILL BE COMING BACK FOR DR GOOD NIGHT FOR A SWIM PARTY
JUNE 11 -12 GIRLS AND GUYS RETREAT 
13 VOLLEY BALL TOURNAMENT AND BBQ AT THE REFUGE
20 NO PM FATHERS DAY
27 NO PM VBS FAMILY NIGHT

JULY 
4 NO PM
26-31 MFUGE 
we threw up the idea of having mission sites through July on Sunday nights go out to work on some of the sites we helped at dnow. 

have a kick off service, have some of the people that are going to work with come. mission site- have a hang out time after the sites 


FIRST PRIORITY -  in about 6 weeks we are going to have a leader vision meeting at the refuge from leaders all over the city come to learn how they can support this powerful program. 

links 

phase 1 and 2 guides link below

i encouraged the team to get familiar with this program as much as they can. We are also going to plan to kick this program off sep. of 2010 at Austin, Cedar Ridge, Hartselle, and East Lawerance 

FUNDRAISERS - swamp johns,something to sell- ex signs, battle of the bands.chic filet 
to help students with camp, there has been some needs with the cost. 

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Purity Code Week 5 Resources

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Thursday, March 4, 2010

Score International » Thirst No More

Water before passing through the filtration system.

By Nathan Jude

I couldn’t believe what I saw. The water was black. I told my church members to bring water from anywhere in the village and I would drink it. Felix, a tall, slender man walked toward me with a bottle so dirty my stomach turned at the sight. What was I thinking? Missions 101 – DON’T DRINK THE WATER. Now with the arrival of a SCORE team and SAWYER Water System filters for the church people in Los Fundos, I was breaking the basic of survival rules.

I began filtering the water just like fellow SCORE missionary, Sarah Liborio, had explained. On one end I poured in water from the community bathing hole, immediately it ran out of the tube clear! Now the taste test. Every villagers’ eye was on me to see if I would back out. I counted to three, opened wide and swallowed fast. “Muy bueno, very good,” I said in Spanish & the church busted in applause. Cheering was heard on the other side of the village.

In three days, North Oak Community Church from Kansas provided more than 300 purifiers in six villages to families who normally catch rain water or spend money they don’t have on bottles.

Days later I asked a young girl what she thought of the purifier. She said, “I can drink water now and it doesn’t make my stomach hurt.”

For $40, an entire family has the “luxury” of clean, drinkable water.

To find out more about purchasing SAWYER Water Systems, contact our home office at 423.894.7111. Or, to purchase these filters at a discounted rate, visit the “Give” tab.

Water after passing through the SAWYER Filtration System

Villagers rejoice after receiving a SAWYER Filtration System.

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Psalm 96:3 "Declare His glory among the nations..."

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Alternative Prom March 19

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This is a night to focus on abstaining from alcohol. It will be a fun filled night with games including go cart drag racing, and much more. It will be a soc hop and we will have out fit contests. Also did I mention FREE FOOD.

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Episode 37 Pure Wk4 The Mind-Renew Your Mind for Good.m4a

This is the fourth series of the pure series using the curruculim from Jim Burns of Homeword ministries. It challenges students to live a live of purity committing a code of purity to God their family and future spouse. 

This session covers the following. 

The Mind: Renew Your Mind for Good [Session 04]
Key Verse
Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will. Romans 12:2
Biblical Basis
Matthew 15:18-19; Philippians 4:8-9, 1 Corinthians 15:33
Big Idea
What we allow into our minds will impact whether we will succeed or fail in following the Purity Code.
Goals of the Session
During this session, you will help your students: ␣ Examine the garbage-in/garbage-out principle as it applies to the things they think about. ␣ Discover the sexual influences in our culture. ␣ Identify what the Bible says about the importance of thinking about good things and surrounding
themselves with good friends who can support them.

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Monday, March 1, 2010

Let us be found standing

“How vain it is to sit down to write when you have not stood up to live.”    - R. W. Emerson

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Let us be found standing

“How vain it is to sit down to write when you have not stood up to live.”    - R. W. Emerson

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Meeting Reminder This Sunday

AGENDA 
50'S NIGHT MARCH 19 ALTERNATIVE PROM
IDEAS FOR GIRLS AND GUYS RETREAT 
DISCUSS FORMAT OF SERVICES
SUMMER SCHEDULE 
FIRST PRIORITY 
FUNDRAISERS 

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Week 31 Pray every morning for your ONE

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Purity Code Week 4 Resources

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