Once saved always saved?

Patrick Jackson 

March 31 at 9:37pm

I thought of another question after i left tonight and i wanted to know your thoughts. The general consensus is that once you are saved your always saved, but in several chapters it says that Jesus is the vine and we are the branches and that whoever remains in him will produce good fruit. Later in the passages it says that whoever does not remain in the vine (Jesus) then he will be thrown out into the fire. Does this mean that a person who once was saved but now has turned their back on Jesus will go to hell, or am I missing something. 

The chapters that talk about it :
John 15
Luke 3:7-9

Brandon Starnes March 31 at 11:40pm

5 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 Already you are clean because of the word that I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me.

- saying that you can do nothing without the Lord. 

5 I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. 

- affirming previous verses. 

6 If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned.

- this is not saying that someone once abided in Him and then did not it says "IF ANYONE DOES NOT ABIDE IN ME" HE IS THROWN INTO THE FIRE, 

ABIDE - DEFINED ( abide by) accept or act in accordance with (a rule, decision, or recommendation) : I said I would abide by their decision.
2 [ trans. ] ( can/could not abide) informal be unable to tolerate (someone or something) : if there is one thing I cannot abide it is a lack of discipline.
3 [ intrans. ] (of a feeling or a memory) continue without fading or being lost.
• archaic live; dwell.

7 If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.

-AWESOME PROMISE FOR THOSE WHO LIVE BY HIS WORD

8 By this my Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit and so prove to be my disciples.

- STATING THE RESULT OF OF ABIDING IN CHRIST AND HIS WORD

9 As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Abide in my love. 10 If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commandments and abide in his love. 11 These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in you, and that your joy may be full. 

HOPE THIS EXPLAINS IT BETTER. 

EXTRA NOTE

USUALLY WHEN WE SEE PEOPLE FALL FROM THE FAITH IT IS THAT THEY NEVER REALLY TRUSTED IN CHRIST TO BEGIN WITH. 

GREAT QUESTION

Brandon Starnes March 31 at 11:45pm

LUKE 3:7 He said therefore to the crowds that came out to be baptized by him, “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Bear fruits in keeping with repentance. And do not begin to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham. 9 Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.” 

In the rest of this section, you see the debate centering around the word father. Jesus identified Himself with the Father in heaven, but He identified them with the father from hell, Satan. Of course, the Jews claimed Abraham as their father (Luke 3:8ff), but Jesus made a careful distinction between “Abraham’s seed” (physical descendants) and “Abraham’s children” (spiritual descendants because of personal faith; Gal. 3:6–14).
These Jewish leaders, who claimed to belong to Abraham, were very unlike Abraham. For one thing, they wanted to kill Jesus; Abraham was the “friend of God” and fellowshipped with Him in love (Isa. 41:8). Abraham listened to God’s truth and obeyed it, but these religious leaders rejected the truth.
Nature is determined by birth, and birth is determined by paternity. If God is your Father, then you share God’s nature (2 Peter 1:1–4); but if Satan is your father, then you share in his evil nature. Our Lord did not say that every lost sinner is a “child of the devil,” though every lost sinner is certainly a child of wrath and disobedience (Eph. 2:1–3). Both here and in the Parable of the Tares (Matt. 13:24–32, 36–43), Jesus said that the Pharisees and other “counterfeit” believers were the children of the devil. Satan is an imitator (2 Cor. 11:13–15), and he gives his children a false righteousness that can never gain them entrance into heaven (Rom. 10:1–4).
What were the characteristics of these religious leaders who belonged to the devil? For one thing, they rejected the truth (John 8:40) and tried to kill Jesus because He spoke the truth. They did not love God (John 8:42) nor could they understand what Jesus taught (John 8:43, 47). Satan’s children may be well versed in their religious traditions, but they have no understanding of the Word of God.
Satan is a liar and a murderer. He lied to our first parents (“Yea, hath God said?”) and engineered their deaths. Cain was a child of the devil (1 John 3:12), for he was both a liar and a murderer. He killed his brother Abel and then lied about it (Gen. 4). Is it any wonder that these religious leaders lied about Jesus, hired false witnesses, and then had Him killed?
The worst bondage is the kind that the prisoner himself does not recognize. He thinks he is free, yet he is really a slave. The Pharisees and other religious leaders thought that they were free, but they were actually enslaved in terrible spiritual bondage to sin and Satan. They would not face the truth, and yet it was the truth alone that could set them free.

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